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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-01-15 18:05:42
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Altimaomega said: »
A theory other than climate change that actually deals with sea level rise. It's all sciencey and stuff too! They are using satellite data though so they are probably doing it wrong!

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2016/160112/ncomms10266/full/ncomms10266.html
I realize most people probably don't have access to the entire article but the first line
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Regionally amplified1 anthropogenic climate change2 in combination with anomalous large-scale atmospheric circulations3 have made the Greenland ice sheet (GrIS) a dominant contributor4, 5 to recent global sea level rise
makes clear that the cloud-enhanced melting works in addition to regional warming and not instead of it. Cloud cover is probably the biggest issue in climate modeling partly because of the feedback effects such as the kind exemplified by that study.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-15 23:42:09
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In this study, a total of ~6.3 million satellite cloud observations were compiled over the GrIS for the period 2007–2010 from the CloudSat and CALIPSO (Cloud-Aerosol Lidar and Infrared Pathfinder Satellite Observation) satellites. These missions carry the first complementary collocated spaceborne radar and lidar sensors21, 22, providing information on vertical distributions of cloud ice and liquid water contents, cloud phase and effective radii, supplemented by cloud optical depths derived from MODerate resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS)23.

I read the study to be separate from the whole anthropocentric climate change debate that spans decades of misinformation and blatant lies.

It was a simple 3 year span from 2007-2012 using satellites. Ascertaining what effect cloud cover has over ice melt.

Again I don't think anyone here is going to argue about Earths natural climate change.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-01-15 23:50:07
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It's not separate. They used the same climate models presented earlier that include anthropogenic forcings. Nothing in climate science is independent of human-induced change just as no human-induced change is considered indepenent of natural climate cycles.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-16 00:12:31
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So you are saying that Greenland has been melting because of man-made climate change and this is an unnatural event taking place? If so I'm curious as to how many feet of ice has melted due to man made climate change?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-01-16 00:51:05
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Read what I wrote but this time understand it.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-16 01:02:12
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How about you answer my question.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-01-16 01:05:06
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The very paper you linked acknowledged that both effects are working collectively. Don't link something then argue against it. I can't answer a quantitative question like that without being able to search the literature, which I don't have access to right now.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-16 01:14:34
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Regionally amplified1 anthropogenic climate change2 in combination with anomalous large-scale atmospheric circulations3 have made the Greenland ice sheet (GrIS) a dominant contributor4, 5 to recent global sea level rise (0.63±0.07 mm per year during 2000–2012; ref. 6).

You can have climate effects that happen without the whole anthropogenic climate change part tossed into the mix. Climate and weather have always existed. You are claiming you cannot have one without the other.

Read the whole thing and try and take your anthropogenic climate change bias out of the picture.

It was a simple question. Here at least answer this part...
Altimaomega said: »
how many feet of ice has melted due to man made climate change?
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2016-01-16 04:07:33
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Altimaomega said: »
Regionally amplified1 anthropogenic climate change2 in combination with anomalous large-scale atmospheric circulations3 have made the Greenland ice sheet (GrIS) a dominant contributor4, 5 to recent global sea level rise (0.63±0.07 mm per year during 2000–2012; ref. 6).

You can have climate effects that happen without the whole anthropogenic climate change part tossed into the mix. Climate and weather have always existed. You are claiming you cannot have one without the other.

Read the whole thing and try and take your anthropogenic climate change bias out of the picture.

It was a simple question. Here at least answer this part...
Altimaomega said: »
how many feet of ice has melted due to man made climate change?
Why do lemons taste blue is a simple question as well. It doesn't mean it is a valid or meaningful question.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-01-16 09:56:59
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-01-16 10:01:48
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You keep Kermit out of this!
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-16 11:22:31
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Why do lemons taste blue is a simple question as well. It doesn't mean it is a valid or meaningful question.

Wow! And someone gave you a +1 for that.. Kinda sad. Was a simple question. Amazing the things you gotta do when you know you're wrong but can't bring yourself to admit it.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-01-16 20:44:49
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Altimaomega said: »
Regionally amplified1 anthropogenic climate change2 in combination with anomalous large-scale atmospheric circulations3 have made the Greenland ice sheet (GrIS) a dominant contributor4, 5 to recent global sea level rise (0.63±0.07 mm per year during 2000–2012; ref. 6).

You can have climate effects that happen without the whole anthropogenic climate change part tossed into the mix. Climate and weather have always existed. You are claiming you cannot have one without the other.

Read the whole thing and try and take your anthropogenic climate change bias out of the picture.

It was a simple question. Here at least answer this part...
Altimaomega said: »
how many feet of ice has melted due to man made climate change?
No, what your own link and I are saying is that the effects are not separate. "in combination with" is not the least bit ambiguous. That study was not done outside the context of AGW. And I can't find an answer to your question.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-01-16 20:47:47
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Altimaomega said: »
Wow! And someone gave you a +1 for that.. Kinda sad.
That person's viewpoints are of a twit, so don't think that it means anything.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-01-16 20:56:28
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Cut the personal insults out.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-01-16 21:00:44
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Pull on her pigtails, King. Maybe senpai will notice you.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-01-16 21:02:24
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I thought we were supposed to cut out the personal insults.

If it's that hard to understand, maybe you should leave and let the adults talk.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-01-16 21:11:54
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You're right. Keep posting those valuable memes.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-16 22:35:04
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
And I can't find an answer to your question.

I guess that ends that debate since it would be a rather important variable on any type of warming trend anthropogenic or not..

Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
You're right. Keep posting those valuable memes.
Says the king of meme posters everywhere!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-01-16 22:45:20
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
You're right. Keep posting those valuable memes.
Still more insightful than anything you ever posted.
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By Siren.Kyte 2016-01-16 23:47:12
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To somewhat answer that question:

This article tries to quantify the relationship between the natural variability relative to the total variation in sea ice. It found that the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation, the most influential of the natural processes, could only account for 5% to 31% of the observed September sea ice decline since 1979 and that anthropomorphic activities are likely the dominating factors in total sea ice loss.

This contains a listing of other previous studies as well some raw data (which I suspect is largely meaningless to you...but there it is).
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-17 00:04:43
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Siren.Kyte said: »
To somewhat answer that question:

This article tries to quantify the relationship between the natural variability relative to the total variation in sea ice. It found that the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation, the most influential of the natural processes, could only account for 5% to 31% of the observed September sea ice decline since 1979 and that anthropomorphic activities are likely the dominating factors in total sea ice loss.

This contains a listing of other previous studies as well some raw data (which I suspect is largely meaningless to you...but there it is).

This has already been addressed several times in this thread. Feel free to back read. You are correct using the word meaningless, you just used it in the wrong context.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-03-03 13:10:14
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Anchorage is so snow-starved it has to haul snow in by train for Iditarod start
Alaska Dispatch News

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How weird has Anchorage's weather been this winter?

Weird enough that an Alaska Railroad spokesman said Monday that a train will deliver seven rail cars loaded with snow to the state's largest city this week in time for the Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race ceremonial start on Saturday.

On top of that, the route for the Anchorage ceremonial start may not run the full 11 miles from Fourth Avenue to Campbell Airstrip, said Stan Hooley, Iditarod CEO, in a brief statement emailed Monday evening to Alaska Dispatch News.

“It’s no secret that warm temperatures for days on end have further eroded what little snow cover existed on the trail system here in Anchorage,” the statement said. “We are exploring our options at this time as we very well may need to shorten our Day 1 Ceremonial Start.”

Hooley did not respond to a phone call Monday seeking details.

Jeff Barney, Fur Rendezvous executive director, said the snow from Fairbanks will get spread across portions of Anchorage’s streets and will help with Fur Rondy events, like the Running of the Reindeer on Saturday.

"The railroad is saving our behinds and bringing 300 cubic yards of snow," Barney said.

Barney said it's the first time he can remember Fur Rondy organizers having snow transported from outside of Anchorage for its events. Tim Sullivan, Alaska Railroad spokesman, said the snow will come from the Fairbanks railyard, hundreds of miles away.

The seven additional railcars filled with snow will be hooked onto the regularly scheduled freight train to Anchorage, he said. Sullivan said he expects the train to arrive Thursday morning.

Barney said no money will be exchanged for the Alaska Railroad's snow delivery.

"They're doing this out of the goodness of their hearts," he said. "It's huge for us."

Warmer-than-normal temperatures aren't expected to let up this week. The National Weather Service has forecast Anchorage temperatures in the mid-30s to low-40s through Friday, dipping into the 20s at night.

On Saturday, the day of the Iditarod ceremonial start, the forecast calls for partly sunny skies with temperatures in the 30s and a chance of snow showers at night. During the 29 days of February, the weather service recorded 1.8 inches of snow at its West Anchorage office, all of that falling Feb. 21.

As of Monday, there was no snow on the ground at the office, said Joe Wegman, weather service meteorologist. He said at least a trace of snow had stuck around since mid-January, but by now, “we’ve melted all of our snow, officially.”

Meanwhile at the Fairbanks International Airport Monday, there was about 13 inches of snow on the ground, said Don Aycock, a weather service forecaster. He said there’s typically about 21 inches of snow on the ground this time of year.

No-show snow has created problems for last two Iditarod races as well.

In 2015, race organizers moved the Iditarod restart from Willow to Fairbanks because of minimal snow coverage on rugged parts of the trail. The year before, low snow on the rough, bare trail through the Farewell Burn and treacherous Dalzell Gorge contributed to injuries that knocked some Iditarod mushers out of the race.

Race organizers in early February reported ample snow on much of the trail, though temperatures have warmed since then.

After Saturday’s ceremonial start, the teams are scheduled to leave from Willow Sunday afternoon and head toward Nome.
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By Altimaomega 2016-03-03 14:43:39
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A ceremonial start occurs in the city of Anchorage and is followed by the official restart in Willow, a city 80 miles north of Anchorage. The restart was originally in Wasilla, but because of too little snow, the restart was permanently moved to Willow in 2008.

Looks like the weather is always a factor in this.. I'd look more into it but considering the massive global warming brain washing on this site, I see no point.

Screw it. Seems Global warming was around in 1958 as well.

Since the Iditarod wasn't around then nobody cared.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-03-03 19:34:39
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Altimaomega said: »
Screw it. Seems Global warming was around in 1958 as well.
It was.

Somewhere I linked a study in Scientific American that traced anthropocentric global warming to over 10,000 years ago.

Slash and burn agriculture.

And to be fair and balanced it may well have saved us from another ice age. Or steered us toward one. North Atlantic currents. Search it your own damn self.
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By Altimaomega 2016-03-03 19:38:50
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No need the entire thing is stupid.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-04-05 13:35:54
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Attorney general hit squad assembles to start the push to criminalize anthropological global warming skepticism.

A last ditch (no doubt) effort to keep the scam going.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-04-05 13:40:15
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In other news, we have a White House that's actually predicting heatwaves in 2030 that will kill over 10k people.

This is much more closer to yelling fire in a crowded theater than the skepticism targeted by the AG hit squad.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-04-05 13:56:40
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Hmm, let's see what a source unrelated to the Heritage Foundation says:
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The participating states are exploring working together on key climate change-related initiatives, such as ongoing and potential investigations into whether fossil fuel companies misled investors and the public on the impact of climate change on their businesses. In 2015, New York State reached a historic settlement with Peabody Energy – the world’s largest publicly traded coal company – concerning the company’s misleading financial statements and disclosures. New York is also investigating ExxonMobil for similar alleged conduct.
http://ag.ny.gov/press-release/ag-schneiderman-former-vice-president-al-gore-and-coalition-attorneys-general-across

Yeah, same thing lol.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-04-05 14:05:00
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
In other news, we have a White House that's actually predicting heatwaves in 2030 that will kill over 10k people.

This is much more closer to yelling fire in a crowded theater than the skepticism targeted by the AG hit squad.
It's from a report and is based off actual research:
Projections of temperature-attributable premature deaths in 209 U.S. cities using a cluster-based Poisson approach

For ***'s sake, do some minor research before sharing the ***you post.
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